Preston North End 2007-2008 Discussion

[David]

What a good away win even if the ref was playing for Preston [][][}]

[noel]

I didn't go but the ref I'm told was equally poor for both sides. I will wait to see the highlights on Granada tomorrow. Those who went say that there was finally commitment and in Neil Mellor and Paul Gallagher a strike partnership at last. We'll see. The jury still out as far as I'm concerned. Next game Southampton ( who we beat 5-1 at home) Should be a doddle shouldn't it?[:p]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,1...70,00.html

for a whinging Dingle's manager.[][8D][:p]

[Martin]

Quote of the day

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I thought I heard Stevie Wonder in the stands shouting for a penalty.

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[Spitfire]

I bet that we`d be out of the bottom three before Christmas. I still think I have a very good chance of being correct.

[noel]

I've now seen "the penalty" ( that wasn't) several times and in slow motion from different angles. The ball hits Hill in the chest on the goal line at one heck of a pace and bounces off. That's all you can see even in slow motion so quite how it was a penalty is beyond me. There again I am biased. The defending is not good though, Lafferty was totally unmarked when he scored and within minutes of coming on Mawene who is not the player he was before his injury, put Gray through clean on goal with an intended header back to his keeper.
The sendings off, McCann for a 2 footed challenge on Sledge, and Gudjohnson for stamping on Mellor when he was on the ground. Seems fair enough to me what is a ref supposed to do.?

[David]

what is a ref supposed to do.?

Be fair. it's a known fact that referee's don't like to give 'early' penalties. Then to eject two players...a rubbish ref.
Spoken like a true North Ender Noel.
Having read a few differnt opinions, I have come to this conclusion...Burnley fans are absolutely certain it was a penalty while North Enders, for the most part..."Can't really tell", which, if it was the other way around means...Penalty [][] And, if he actually stopped the ball from entering the net...ejection.
I'm inclined to think that, with all the controversy surrounding the two refs apologizing for poor decisions going against North End in the last two games, this ref went overboard.
Bring back Arthur Ellis....the last of the good English refs, circa 1950. []

[noel]

It was only a penalty if Hill had an arm growing out of the front of his chest, which I'm relieved to say he didn't have.Arthur Ellis was once kicked by an Argentinian player in a friendly game v Coventry. He sent the player off but he refused to go, so Ellis abandoned the game. That showed them[]

Headlines from the Express:

DERBY OR NOT, PRESTON TAKE ALL THE HONOURS

[David]

As a kid, I always looked forward to a game where Arthur Ellis was going to ref. And if my memory serves me well, I seem to remember that Arthur was from Halifax ?? So you see, there was some good came out of Yorkshire []

It was only a penalty if Hill had an arm growing out of the front of his chest....Noel, on closer inspection I do see...[}][}][}][]

Hopefully they will pull away from the bottom three before seasons end and it is possible for miracles to happen as seen last night here when the Miami Dolphins finally won a match this season [8D]

So we'll keep our fingers crossed as it is a mighty long way back as they have discoverd after relegation from the top flight so many years ago.

[noel]

Arthur Edward Ellis (July 8, 1914 – May 23, 1999) was an English football referee.

Ellis was a referee in The Football Association competitions and in FIFA international competitions. He refereed at the 1950, 1954 and 1958 World Cups; running the line in the 1950 FIFA World Cup Final and Third Place Play-off in 1958 and refereeing the Third Place Play-off in 1954.


Career Controversy
He is most remembered for refereeing the 1954 Battle of Berne and the first leg of the 1960-61 second round tie in the European Cup between Real Madrid and FC Barcelona. In the closing minutes of that match Ellis waved down a flag as Sandor Kocsis strode into the Madrid penalty area, and awarded a penalty when the Hungarian was fouled. The resulting score equalised the tie. Further, considerable, controversy was occasioned by Reg Leafe in his handling of the second leg in Barcelona.

Ellis also journeyed with the English touring side in Argentina in the Summer of 1953. He was the referee in charge of the abandoned game in Buenos Aires against Argentina on May 17 when it rained so much that he called the players off the field after 23 minutes. This tour began, three days before, with the representative match in the River Plate stadium. Ellis had been bitten by a mosquito and been told he could not officiate but he refused to follow the medical advice and was later dubbed 'the yellow rat' by some of the English players for his performance. ['England v Argentina: World Cups and other Wars', (ed. Downing) p. 63)]

An Argentinian side San Lorenzo were the opponents during the abandoned game at Highfield Road, against Coventry City in January 1956. In the first half, after awarding a penalty, Ellis was kicked by Jose Sanfilippo and abandoned the game when the player refused to walk from the field of play. "Those people", Ellis wrote, "must learn sportsmanship and we must teach them. South Americans are more excitable and more passionate than we are. They do crazy things, impulsively, then a few minutes later they are genuinely and deeply sorry". (quoted in Downing, above).


1955-56 European Cup
Ellis' role in the first European Cup competition was extensive, refereeing those matches played by Hibernian from the second round until the semi-final before being selected for the Final in Paris. Ellis had been informed that he would need to provide the linesmen for the European Cup match against Rot-Weiss Essen. He wrote: "I managed to obtain the services of Jimmy Catlin (Rochdale) and Frank Ellis, then on the Yorkshire League and now a Football League linesman. He is my younger brother. We officiated first at the first leg and, at the request of UEFA, the same three - with Frank Ellis of the Yorkshire League still included! - were again appointed to take the second round (both legs) between Hibs and the Swedish champions. We also acted in the second leg of the semi-final involving Hibs and the fine French team Rheims.

"I was chosen to referee the first-ever Final of this new competition ... Just when I thought that the linesmen ... would be there once more, the Football Association stepped in and said it would soon be regarded by others as a closed shop. Despite the request of Rheims for an 'unchanged team', I was given two linesmen this time - Messrs. J. Parkinson, of Blackburn, and Tommy Cooper, of Bolton." [The Final Whistle, 1962, ed. Ellis, pp. 94-5].


Later career
Ellis became well known in the UK for acting as a referee in the gameshow It's a Knockout and featured as a Pools Panellist under Lord Brabazon. He died of prostate cancer in 1999 aged 84.

[Spitfire]

Noel, Can you recall the name of a ref, from a similar period of time? He was `thin on top`,a little portly, but his trade mark was being able to run backwards at full speed. I remember the crowd cheering every time he did this.